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Does art have an inbuilt value that requires time, education and taste to appreciate, and an expert eye to spot? Or is art all around us, in countless different forms, its value determined by the personal impact it has on any one of us, expert or not?
In our investigation so far we’ve seen two camps emerge – the arts aficionados and the arts democrats.
The arts aficionado believes that art should be experienced and valued from the artists’ perspective, for its inherent quality and originality. For the arts democrat, anything can be a work of art, and its value depends on how many people it reaches and the positive outcomes they experience as a result. Of course most people place themselves somewhere on a spectrum between these two poles. But is there a fundamental conflict of interest here? If so, how does it affect the relationship between artist and funder?
Democratised arts funding needs the artist to engage on some level with what the public value about the arts. But is this funding relationship made unstable by changing social agendas? Can really transformational art happen when the artist’s work becomes a means to an end? If so, does the freedom to be creative, innovate and produce challenging work only become possible if artists are funded for the inherent quality of their work alone?
And with limited resources, is it possible to support art for everyone and still preserve our canons of artistic excellence that many people may never experience on a personal level?
Art aficionados fear that a public consensus on artistic value may lead to ‘dumbing down’. Arts democrats argue it is the only fair way to distribute public money for the arts. It’s a long-standing debate – but can a public funder ever find a happy middle ground?
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I think my views as expressed via the other two topics are pretty clear. I believe in the 'demcratisation of culture' as practised for decades by ACGB.By this I mean making the fine arts available to all those who will make the effort to appreciate them. However you define the arts there are certain high or fine arts which need some effort and maybe focused education to appreciate, if their integrity and quality is to be preserved. Public funding of the arts used to mean "fine arts" according to the ACGB royal charter until 1967 when "fine" was dropped. Society has changed since then of course mass media has expolded and the ideology of 'cutural democracy' has infiltrated the thinking of both arts professionals and politicians. Fine arts are 'bourgeois'and irrelevant to the mass population in the more extreme version of this thinking.The fine arts though needn't be 'bourgeois' they are of universal appeal. We should not assume that the less well educated or wealthy only can appreciate the fine arts, that is patronising and encourages "poverty of aspiration" as Tessa Jowell recently put it in her admitely slightly 'off message'personal view. Cultural democrascy however is now the lynchpin of Government ideology. Ironically the fine arts will be the preserve of the wealthy middle class if they become "privatised" and public subisdy for art is allocated by public mandate only, since access to them for the less fortunate will be impossible.
Well yes it is a long-standing debate and part of the problem is that it's already littered with more than its fair share of straw men.
Not very helpful then for the Arts Council to bring forward two more.
Art IS for everyone. Phrases such as "high art" or "difficult art" simply support the labelling of an experience which through its very labelling can never get close to the actual experience. If I have an arts experience and it moves me out of my conventional thinking and my conventional self then any label like good, bad, progressive, quality has no meaning. Even the word meaningful has no meaning compared to my direct experience!
Why does no one get it? There is no value in art in an of itself, there is only value in the relationship with it as a human being. This is not measure by numbers, x thousand people saw this work and so on. It is only measured by the consciousness of individuals and communities.
Change the game. Back the risk-takers. Back the disrupters. Trust the artists. Reap the rewards.
Sorry Guy but some art needs hard work and as such has its own 'value' and 'quality' and is subject to critical examination by its field and audience.
If a symphony orchestra of chimps played random notes it would certainly move you out of your conventional thinking (that is if the phrase "conventional thinking" has any meaning for your personal experience) But should the arts council subsisdise it? You may call it art but you have to have some rationality about what public money is spent on.If you pay to experience an Art form is it not helpful to have a "label" or do you just take pot luck? Some art is more difficult to perform, create or experience fully. That's a fact.
It is dangerous to think that arts afficianados and pluralists are two separate camps.
Art means different things to us all. Some see it in David Beckham's football playing, in Pavarotti's warblings, or Heston Blumenthal's cooking. Others see it in rapping, garden design, wine making, or fashion design. They are all right and none is inherently better that the other. The common denominator here is the pursuit and achievement of the highest level of human ability.
Sports and the arts have much in common. Important both as everyday amateur activity, and professional elitism. The Man United afficianado who bonds with friends over football chats and trips to the games is doing something very similar to the Glyndebourne regular. They are engaging with a cultural activitiy which goes to the heart of their personal identity.
And what of arts and crafts? Lots of people enjoy knitting. Is that art? Even if you think not, where do you draw the line between that and the extravagant textiles that you'll see on a visit to the V&A?
And entertainment? Some think of the high arts (e.g. opera, theatre) simply as entertainment for the rich or upper class. There's a lot of truth in that. Is someone a better person because they spend a Saturday evening at the Royal Opera House rather than watching a DVD of a James Bond movie at a friend's house? Can good art be devoid of entertainment?
This is only becomes a problem when the Arts Council, a publicly funded organisation, has to devise arts funding policies. Why should one person's entertainment be subsidised and another's not?
The arts (in the broadest sense) are funded by those who use and appreciate them, and by people who wish to promote the values they think are embodied by that art. Much of this happens intuitively. They do it simply because they enjoy it.
European culture was once dominated by Monarchy and the Church. These two insitutions were the main sponsors of what some call high art. Indeed they are responsible for the notion. Both institions were paternalistic in the sense that they decided what was of value. Much of the tradition of high arts (again, opera, theatre, fine arts but also architecture, garden design etc) was status symbols, badges of wealth.
At the end of the day, the Arts Council must realise that the question of what art is, or more to the point, which arts should it fund, comes down to the issue of what it wants to promote in society. Arts funding policy is social policy.
Does it want to continue the legacy of the "high arts" with its pre-20th century values, an anachronistic hangover from past society which favours one narrow band? Or does it want to accept that we now live in a democratic society and that it must be more pluralistic in its funding policies?
There's nothing wrong with art that is all about the creator. But actually, the more people that it engages, the extent to which it engages, and the longevity of its engagement increase its value. If Beethoven had not shared his art with the world, would it have any value? Of course not. Art can be a private pursuit. And whilst the value to that individual might be high, the value to society is probably low.
Democratic funding policies don't have to mean funding everyone and everything. Good decisions must be made as to what is most important. And the reasons behind those decisions must be articulated.
Public subsidy must benefit society as a whole. It should incentivise excellence, address market failure, create opportunity. And it must be accountable to the public.
The worst and most unacceptable policy (or lack thereof) is to surreptiously spend the lions share of the money on "high arts" with a pretense that all arts is seen equally without any justification for the disproportionate spend. That's what the Arts Council currently does, and unless it stops doing that, it may find itself being closed down by the Government because its lack of accountability and inability to articulate openly and honestly what it does and why it does it amounts to serious abuse a great deal of public money.
Ian,
It is the very longevity, long term engagement with generations of people and proven durability both as stimulus and entertainment that made the 'high arts'(opera, theatre,ballet,painting, sculpture etc) thought worthy of public subsidy at the inception of the arts council in 1946.
The reasons for that were articulated clearly. They included "incentivising excellence,addressing market failure, creating opportunity" as you aptly put it.
At that time politics was largely disinterested in the arts but was still accountable to the public for all its policies as now,but at that time allowed the ACGB to operate at 'arms length'.Actually I think that since DCMS now rules the ACE the directness of that accountability is greater than ever.There is greater plurality in the funding system. the fact remains that many of the "high arts" would not survive without public subsidy,and are often expensive to mount. Many other so called arts are quite happy in the commercial sector. ACE is quite open not surreptitious about its spending look at the annual reports.
The 'high arts' have their origins in ancient civilisation rediscovered in the renaissance. Western civilisation took the "Athenian" view that civilisation of the mind took precedence in it's vision of society. The arts council has a public duty to protect that vision.
Geoff,
Accountability and transparency are not the same thing. The Arts Council is reasonably transparent; certainly the spending reported in the annual report is a good start. The information provided is certainly sufficient to demonstrate that the organisation lacks accountability. But I might also add that the Arts Council's Chief Exec is notorious for avoiding interview and defending whatever the Arts Council's policies are. Very unusual, if not inexcusable, for the head of a publicly funded organisation which ought to operate with transparency.
The issue of accountability is a different matter. That must surely be measured by whether the public agree that the money is well spent, and whether a broad section of the public derive value from the spending.
The fact that the lions share of the funding is devoted to the "high arts" actually means that the organisation is categorically not accountable to the public. The "high arts" are the interest of a very small portion of our society.
I'm not advocating a case for killing off those high arts, but that the support needs to be wider. The high arts might not survive (certainly in their present form) without Arts Council subsidy, but so many other significant cultural activities (e.g. jazz, folk music, world music, electronic music to mention a few areas from the musical world which I am most familiar) desperately struggle to survive with very low levels of funding. The notion that "other so called arts are quite happy in the commercial sector" is just not true. I'm afraid that line smacks of gross ignorance. Practitioners must endure poverty and/or second careers ("day jobs") to work in their chosen fields, and the industry is largely propped up by the underpaid and volunteers. "Greater plurality" as you put it is not enough. We need equality in the distribution of funding.
Can I point out some contradiction in your defence of the "high arts"? On the one hand you declare that their longevity is a prime reason for support, but then you suggest that they would not survive without the subsidy. That paradox doesn't actually sound too much like longevity to me. It sounds more like dying traditions which are kept hanging on only by means of a life support machine. Now I don't want to see any of those precious cultural activities die, but why keep them so lavishly funded relatively, and AT THE EXPENSE OF, a more diverse cultural programme?
I find the historical refences you give somewhat curious. This notion of the ancient civilisations and the renaissance being a primary reason for the Arts Councils policies is verging on the ludicrous. If the organisation's main function is to preserve antiquity, such as the British Museum does, the OK. But not for an organisation which has a broader cultural responsibility, one that ought in my view to be focussed on the living world.
One of the big problems with the "high arts" is that they have actually become profoundly dysfunctional in the 20th Century. Classical Music and Opera just do not have the same vibrancy or relevance that they did in the 19th Century. The mainstay of the repertoires within those arts actually comes from a very restricted time period ("Mozart to Mahler") and crucially there is no living composer who has been able to write new works that have been able to enter that canon. To me, that means that those traditions are dying, if not already dead. They are no longer truly living traditions. Culturally speaking, the ecological system which once gave these art forms life has long been destroyed.
With such a desperate creative situation, one must ask how long before the audience simply tire of the same dated repertoire? How much can life can be breathed into this body merely by endless reinterpretion? We all know the age of this audience is very high. Will there be an audience at all for this work in 50 years? Isn't it time to start investing in culture that has a better future than backing the also ran?
I also can't help thinking that this notion of the ancient civilisations and the renaissance must itself be a 19th century manufactured idea created to serve 19th Century notions. I think now, in the 21st Century, we can see that many of these old notions now require revision as they have little meaning or relevance to modern society. Indeed there's much which is actually objectionable implicit in these cultural traditions.
Perhaps those notions held in a Victorian class bound society where everybody studied classics. Get real. Talk about the world we live in, not with third hand notions of ancient societies and redundant ideologies. We're no longer living in the 19th Century. We're not even in 1946 any more. Isn't it time the Arts Council considers and takes responsibility for this societies cultural future rather than obsessing in false and largely irrelevant notions of the past?
Ian
I would suggest that some of the activities you listas being equally worthy of subsidy are just as much a minority interest as the high arts which you see as hanging on to life unjustifyably through public subsidy. By the logic of your argument the high arts being a minority interest should in effect become privatised as they are in USA and survive on partonage sponsorship AND tax concesions. Inevitably access to these art forms is reduced or if made more acessible subsidised by private rather than public money. That may be your view of the way forward but what should ACE subsidise then?The eqully mnority fields of jazz,folk etc? many populist culturalexpressionslike pop music and Hollywood are happy in the commercial sector.Should the National gallery then charge for its admission? Should ordinary people beable to afford seats for opera or Concerts? much of the high art is rooted in the past yes but new works do emerge and are accepted into the cannon,Britten and birtwhistle for example in opera. What is the brave new world you speak of then that denies the relevance of past art which can be reinterpreted as universal truth? Because work of art is old then is it irrelevant? I appreciate that society is constantly changing and its artistic expressions follow suit This is true in the high arts as well works are reintrepreted and new works are created. The discipline required in the creation and appreciation of this art makes it less easy to engage in but not irrelevant. Study of the classics is probably still a good thing too.like the high arts thpugh if society does not value it or enable people to engage with it then it will have an ageing shrinking audience.The values engendered in the classical age and rennaissance are relevant if people chose to or have the opportunity to examine them. The trouble with much 21st century culture is that it is second rate has no depth and quality , that my opinion which is doubless not concurent with yours. If you consider my attituded "ludicrous" and my opinions 'ignorant that is you right but I will not go so far as to repay these slights!
I would side with the arts democrats, as I believe that everyone should see the art from their point of view to explore the diversity of the society we live in.
The artist should not be involved in explaining what he meant while drawing it and leave it to the observer to develop his intellectual thought.
Beauty lies in the eye.
To quote Jonathan Richman:
I saw the chewing gum wrapper,
saw it after lunch;
Faded little cruddy thing,
I picked from among the bunch.
Cruddy little chewing gum wrapper,
My eyes would not let go;
Saw the little thing that I liked so.
Loved the faded colors like would end up at the dump,
My heart goes bumpety, bumpety, bumpety bump.
Cruddy little chewing gum wrapper,
Faded by the rain;
You got to see it for yourself,
My words just can't explain.
Cruddy little chewing gum wrapper,
dried up by the sun;
Someone else got to feel this way, I can't be the only one.
Who loves the faded colors like would end up at the dump.
My heart goes bumpety, bumpety, bumpety bump.
Faded plenty and corroded some,
I saw the chewing gum wrapper,
I picked it up just like a bum,
Cruddy little, cruddy little, cruddy little thing;
Full of dirt and it was full of grit,
I saw the chewing gum wrapper;
But colors like that you can't git,
Cruddy little cruddy little cruddy little cruddy little.
Well, cruddy little chewing gum wrapper,
My heart would not let go;
The colors hypnotize me, and I love them so.
Cruddy little chewing gum wrapper,
This I must say;
These colors move me more than most or what I see today.
I love the faded colors like would end up at the dump,
My heart goes bumpety, bumpety, bumpety bump.
I saw the chewing gum wrapper,
When I was on a walk;
I saw the faded green
And I could barely talk.
Cruddy little chewing gum wrapper
When I was on a roam
I saw the faded yellow
And wanted to take it home
The canon of what is regarded as the highest art seems an unassailable fortress but it has often been subjected to manipulation by profiteering elites. What is high art? High art like Opera in the UK is democratic art in Italy. In our celebrity besotted pyramidical society even the restricted number of artists at the top may well be ignored in favor of novels by footballer’s wives. Shakespeare in his day was not considered `high art` and was appreciated by all. Bourdieu in `Distinction a Social critique of the judgment of taste` offers a full analysis of `high art` and the way it props up privilege.
For those who accept that good taste is relative it is particularly important that levels of subsidy are properly balanced between high and popular arts. We should remain perpetually wary of experts since their expertise maybe nothing other than the field of upper middle class taste
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/theatre/2007/01/theatres_of_new_dreams.html
Liz Gardener’s 2006 retrospective blogg celebrates an explosion of democratically situated arts activity appreciated by large numbers. Yet last year the `street art` sector received only £2.7 million out of £402 million of overall Arts Subsidy (ie less than one percent) Another issue to be redressed is that the enormous audience figures of the open air arts sector are not recognized by the Treasury because tickets have not been bought. It is also noteworthy that around a quarter of the amount given to popular open air art was spent on three days of performance by one French theatrecompany. Whilst noting that the French company was good value the fact remains that only £2 million was spent on all the UK work in that sector including companies, festivals and the commissioning of new work throughout that year..
What I am discussing is proportionality. Whilst it is unnecessary to fund very popular arts that are perfectly able to support themselves it is equally unnecessary to fund arts that will easily flourish, on expensive ticket revenue paid for by the better- off. Why do we subsidize these £30 tickets? It is possible to redress some of these balances by asking the larger arts institutions to tighten their belts. They will no doubt be vociferous in their opposition but in the street arts sector the massively committed smaller groups slogging away with very little support can make very little noise.
I am one of many who would like to see a massive increase in the proportion of government arts funding spent on widespread creative participation in the arts through
A) the funding of festivals and arts organizations in the new up and coming and vibrant Street Arts and Circus and Carnival sectors
B) A similar increase in start up funding for musicians. We are a very musical race and this should be encouraged.
These two areas are the current main weaknesses in the AC portfolio. Efforts should be made that ensure all people have access to every aspect of creativity.
If we are going to have a living artistic culture like the one that nurtured Shakepeare we may ironically have to displace some support from the Shakespearean industry and re think down the current overwhelming preference for the tameness of heritage over the risks of art. We should ask that The Arts Council supports the creative underdogs in fair and appropriate proportion as well as the heritage flagships. We should harness our articulacy in protection of the new, the participatory, the experimental, the democratic, the popular and the small.
I would like to see the arts council supporting the audience or the potential audience for 'experimental' writing.
There is no point whatsoever in supporting the writers.
They will carry on writing whatever happens.
The potential audience, though, perhaps represented by 'readers groups', might be encouraged to widen their reading tastes.
Thus a market may be built for 'experimental' writing and the writers, in turn, will receive the support they require rather than a public subsidy.
Important to have some different context for this debate. How much for replacing trident, devastating Iraq, putting money in the pockets of New Labours PFI friends? The arts, along with health and education and other public services should be making the case for more money for everything. Lets not content ourselves with squabbling over the crumbs. Debates like this are fascinating, the comments I have read are lucid and well argued, but lets not get trapped by them, and lose sight of the wider issues. We're citizens before artists.
It is fairly obvious to me that art is in the eye of the beholder not in the eye of the artist. Van Gogh is an example of an artist who received no acclaim while he was alive and quite a bit after he died. I'm not saying Van Gogh didn't appreciate his own efforts but art always needs an audience. I know from running a ScrapStore that many interesting and unique pieces of 'art' created from reused materials can have just as much affect on an audience as portraits in a gallery. Art belongs to people.
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